Sim Genealogy

Hokieman · 11-13-2008, 11:48 PM

I been recently having something going on in my game that I wondered if anyone else has had occur before I go digging through my downloads looking for the cause.

Lately, I've had 4 female custom body shape sims grow up into different shapes than their parents. i.e. a sim grew up to be a Fashion Model when her mother was either a CPU, Rengal or default. Father was a default size. All three mothers were different skintones, 1 dark, 1 light, 1 tan. All three kids ended up with the same fashion model skintone. Also had a Rengal show up in a 3rd generation default size family.

It might be that I've been under a misconception regarding Warlokk's body shapes. I thought that the babies would grow up with the same skintone as one of their parents, not shift to a completly new skintone. Looking at these sims in SimPE, the parents skintones show as the recessives. I've never had this happen before - it's always been like begats like.

Anybody have any insight into this?

Greg · 11-14-2008, 12:30 AM

Hmm... now that you mention it, I don't think I have any data. Off hand I can't think of even one sim who I have raised from a Warlokk body shape. Of course, there's a 50% chance that a baby girl would inherit her skin tone, and hence body shape, from her father.

Miros1 · 11-14-2008, 12:52 AM

Ok, here's a wild idea... If the father was Male-Default-Female-FM and the mother was a Male-SBB-Female-CPU, the girls could be either Female-FM (with dad's complexion) or Female-CPU (with mom's complexion). The boys could be Male-default (dad's complexion) or Male-SBB (mom's complexion). Assuming both are non-genetic (genetic = slotted into the Maxis S1/S2/S3/S4 sequence).

Another possibility is that you've got a geneticized skin in there (not either parent's skin), and the game is somehow picking that as "between" the parents' skintones.

Baring those... what's your newest EP? Do you use the randomizer gizmo so all your first-born-in-a-play-session kids don't look alike?

Greg · 11-15-2008, 12:48 AM

Baring those? Not on this site!

My understanding is that if the skin tone has not been set to match a Maxian skin tone, then the child will either inherit or not; no half measures. If it is set to one of the four Maxis tones, then it must be some kind of a law of probablility what you get.

Miros1 · 11-15-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

Baring those? Not on this site!

I have a limited number of brain cells sometimes. I can figure out Hokieman's problems or use barring vs. baring correctly...

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My understanding is that if the skin tone has not been set to match a Maxian skin tone, then the child will either inherit or not; no half measures. If it is set to one of the four Maxis tones, then it must be some kind of a law of probablility what you get.

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Originally Posted by Miros1

< snip >(genetic = slotted into the Maxis S1/S2/S3/S4 sequence).< snip >

Yes, you can geneticize skins just like you can bin hair.... And you don't just have to set it to a Maxis value, you can set it to half way between the two (or any other two digits-after-the-decimal).

Greg · 11-15-2008, 12:37 PM

I'd guess that the main sequence has to do with melanin...

S1 = light
S2 = tan
S3 = medium
S4 = dark

... but are there also genetic skin tones for aliens, zombies, and whatevers?

I'd also guess that if you bin all the Warlokk skin tone as an S1, S2, S3, or S4 the kids might have any body shape with the same melanin density. That would mean that binning the body shapes is a bad idea if you want offspring to inherit the body shape.

Hokieman · 11-17-2008, 01:24 AM

Thanks guys!

Ok, with two exceptions, the parents came from CAS or came pre installed with base game or university. I am running custom default skins for S1 - S5 and the vampire skin. Also has it happen again with a Rengal mother, a Rio father and the 3 kids came out as an FM girl, a Rengal girl and a Rengal boy. In one case the parents were Priya Ramaswami and Ty Bubbler - 1st kid was a Rengal girl, next two were FM girls.

I've got everything installed except Apartment Life. And nope, I don't use any randomizer hacks. I was wondering if somehow Freetime introduced a new "hidden feature".

I didn't know about geneticized skins. Previously, I could count on a child coming with one or the other parents skin and associated body shape. The kid ALWAYS got one of it's parents skintone (and bodyshape). I could count on it. Now, I think I might just a look at that FM skintone in SimPE to see if it is geneticized since it's popped up four times now. I'm going to also check for a skin randomizer hack too.

Actually, I don't mind the randomness - that's the way life is, and the same size family is a bit boring but it is a change in how my game plays that I didn't expect. If it keeps up, I'm a little concerned that I'll get overrun with FMs after a few generations.

Greg · 11-17-2008, 11:31 AM

I don't think I would like it if that happened in my game, but I haven't played too many muti-generation families lately.

Miros1 · 11-17-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

<snip>... but are there also genetic skin tones for aliens, zombies, and whatevers?

Nope, those are always custom AFAIK.

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I'd also guess that if you bin all the Warlokk skin tone as an S1, S2, S3, or S4 the kids might have any body shape with the same melanin density. That would mean that binning the body shapes is a bad idea if you want offspring to inherit the body shape.

Yep. My Sims kept popping out freckled babies using one of Genemsims skintones (geneticised by Madame Mim). I started forcing myself to use the Sim Generator Randomizer and that stopped happening.

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Originally Posted by Hokieman

<snip>Ok, with two exceptions, the parents came from CAS or came pre installed with base game or university. I am running custom default skins for S1 - S5 and the vampire skin. Also has it happen again with a Rengal mother, a Rio father and the 3 kids came out as an FM girl, a Rengal girl and a Rengal boy. In one case the parents were Priya Ramaswami and Ty Bubbler - 1st kid was a Rengal girl, next two were FM girls.

I've got everything installed except Apartment Life. And nope, I don't use any randomizer hacks. I was wondering if somehow Freetime introduced a new "hidden feature".

I didn't know about geneticized skins. Previously, I could count on a child coming with one or the other parents skin and associated body shape. The kid ALWAYS got one of it's parents skintone (and bodyshape). I could count on it. Now, I think I might just a look at that FM skintone in SimPE to see if it is geneticized since it's popped up four times now. I'm going to also check for a skin randomizer hack too.

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Actually, I don't mind the randomness - that's the way life is, and the same size family is a bit boring but it is a change in how my game plays that I didn't expect. If it keeps up, I'm a little concerned that I'll get overrun with FMs after a few generations.

I like my kids to be unique too.

I even create Sims in CAS, "make child" there, grow the child up to adult and delete the parents, so the born-in-game children will have some little surprises.

"Look, grandma's eyes! Grandpa's hair!"

I would look at the FM skin; it sounds a bit too likely.

Greg · 11-18-2008, 11:01 AM

Better check Rengal, too. If the Rengal is showing up as a child of Maxian skin tones, she's probably binned, too.

Hokieman · 11-19-2008, 12:50 AM

Thanks guys!

Yep, I'll check that one too.

I haven't had time to check the suspect skintones or go hunting through my downloads yet. I'll followup when I manage to get to it.

Greg · 11-19-2008, 01:10 AM

If you're like me, that means maybe sometimes in the next millenium

Hokieman · 11-20-2008, 12:31 AM

Well, maybe not that long.....................but it isn't going to happen tonight

Coco · 11-22-2008, 11:06 PM

How do you check to see if a skintone is binned?

Miros1 · 11-23-2008, 12:10 AM

Good question...

Madame Mim (who has various other tutorials on GenenSims) sez the definitive tutorial on making skintones genetic is on Bog Sims in the tutorial section.

Greg · 11-23-2008, 10:31 AM

This must be it: http://www.bogsims.com/tutorials/geneproperties.txt

I s'pose that the same tutorial might provide a clue about how to repair skin tones that should not be "genetic."

Miros1 · 11-23-2008, 02:59 PM

I think you just change the "genetic" number to 0, for non-genetic. You could check this with a skintone that you know is non-genetic.

Greg · 11-23-2008, 09:40 PM

Confirmed. Under Skin Tone XML (XSTN)(1) it says:

genetic (dtSingle) =0

So you just need to give that property a value of zero to fix any skins that should note be binned.

11-13-2008, 11:48 PM	#1
Hokieman Solar Max Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 520	Sim Genealogy I been recently having something going on in my game that I wondered if anyone else has had occur before I go digging through my downloads looking for the cause. Lately, I've had 4 female custom body shape sims grow up into different shapes than their parents. i.e. a sim grew up to be a Fashion Model when her mother was either a CPU, Rengal or default. Father was a default size. All three mothers were different skintones, 1 dark, 1 light, 1 tan. All three kids ended up with the same fashion model skintone. Also had a Rengal show up in a 3rd generation default size family. It might be that I've been under a misconception regarding Warlokk's body shapes. I thought that the babies would grow up with the same skintone as one of their parents, not shift to a completly new skintone. Looking at these sims in SimPE, the parents skintones show as the recessives. I've never had this happen before - it's always been like begats like. Anybody have any insight into this?

11-14-2008, 12:30 AM	#2
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Hmm... now that you mention it, I don't think I have any data. Off hand I can't think of even one sim who I have raised from a Warlokk body shape. Of course, there's a 50% chance that a baby girl would inherit her skin tone, and hence body shape, from her father. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-14-2008, 12:52 AM	#3
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	Ok, here's a wild idea... If the father was Male-Default-Female-FM and the mother was a Male-SBB-Female-CPU, the girls could be either Female-FM (with dad's complexion) or Female-CPU (with mom's complexion). The boys could be Male-default (dad's complexion) or Male-SBB (mom's complexion). Assuming both are non-genetic (genetic = slotted into the Maxis S1/S2/S3/S4 sequence). Another possibility is that you've got a geneticized skin in there (not either parent's skin), and the game is somehow picking that as "between" the parents' skintones. Baring those... what's your newest EP? Do you use the randomizer gizmo so all your first-born-in-a-play-session kids don't look alike? __________________ A game that horrible Odessa-person introduced me to: http://www.puzzlepirates.com/?affili...163251&lang=en I'm spreading the addiction by corrupting all my friends (and attempting to make in-game money when they try the game).

11-15-2008, 12:48 AM	#4
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Baring those? Not on this site! My understanding is that if the skin tone has not been set to match a Maxian skin tone, then the child will either inherit or not; no half measures. If it is set to one of the four Maxis tones, then it must be some kind of a law of probablility what you get. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-15-2008, 12:37 PM	#6
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	I'd guess that the main sequence has to do with melanin... S1 = light S2 = tan S3 = medium S4 = dark ... but are there also genetic skin tones for aliens, zombies, and whatevers? I'd also guess that if you bin all the Warlokk skin tone as an S1, S2, S3, or S4 the kids might have any body shape with the same melanin density. That would mean that binning the body shapes is a bad idea if you want offspring to inherit the body shape. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-17-2008, 01:24 AM	#7
Hokieman Solar Max Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 520	Thanks guys! Ok, with two exceptions, the parents came from CAS or came pre installed with base game or university. I am running custom default skins for S1 - S5 and the vampire skin. Also has it happen again with a Rengal mother, a Rio father and the 3 kids came out as an FM girl, a Rengal girl and a Rengal boy. In one case the parents were Priya Ramaswami and Ty Bubbler - 1st kid was a Rengal girl, next two were FM girls. I've got everything installed except Apartment Life. And nope, I don't use any randomizer hacks. I was wondering if somehow Freetime introduced a new "hidden feature". I didn't know about geneticized skins. Previously, I could count on a child coming with one or the other parents skin and associated body shape. The kid ALWAYS got one of it's parents skintone (and bodyshape). I could count on it. Now, I think I might just a look at that FM skintone in SimPE to see if it is geneticized since it's popped up four times now. I'm going to also check for a skin randomizer hack too. Actually, I don't mind the randomness - that's the way life is, and the same size family is a bit boring but it is a change in how my game plays that I didn't expect. If it keeps up, I'm a little concerned that I'll get overrun with FMs after a few generations.

11-17-2008, 11:31 AM	#8
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	I don't think I would like it if that happened in my game, but I haven't played too many muti-generation families lately. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-18-2008, 11:01 AM	#10
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Better check Rengal, too. If the Rengal is showing up as a child of Maxian skin tones, she's probably binned, too. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-19-2008, 12:50 AM	#11
Hokieman Solar Max Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 520	Thanks guys! Yep, I'll check that one too. I haven't had time to check the suspect skintones or go hunting through my downloads yet. I'll followup when I manage to get to it.

11-19-2008, 01:10 AM	#12
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	If you're like me, that means maybe sometimes in the next millenium __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-20-2008, 12:31 AM	#13
Hokieman Solar Max Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 520	Well, maybe not that long.....................but it isn't going to happen tonight

11-22-2008, 11:06 PM	#14
Coco Loving Life! Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 47	How do you check to see if a skintone is binned? __________________ Proud member of the Western Pennsylvania Chili & Literary Society

11-23-2008, 12:10 AM	#15
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	Good question... Madame Mim (who has various other tutorials on GenenSims) sez the definitive tutorial on making skintones genetic is on Bog Sims in the tutorial section. __________________ A game that horrible Odessa-person introduced me to: http://www.puzzlepirates.com/?affili...163251&lang=en I'm spreading the addiction by corrupting all my friends (and attempting to make in-game money when they try the game).

11-23-2008, 10:31 AM	#16
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	This must be it: http://www.bogsims.com/tutorials/geneproperties.txt I s'pose that the same tutorial might provide a clue about how to repair skin tones that should *not* be "genetic." __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

11-23-2008, 02:59 PM	#17
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	I think you just change the "genetic" number to 0, for non-genetic. You could check this with a skintone that you know is non-genetic. __________________ A game that horrible Odessa-person introduced me to: http://www.puzzlepirates.com/?affili...163251&lang=en I'm spreading the addiction by corrupting all my friends (and attempting to make in-game money when they try the game).

11-23-2008, 09:40 PM	#18
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Confirmed. Under Skin Tone XML (XSTN)(1) it says: genetic (dtSingle) =0 So you just need to give that property a value of zero to fix any skins that should note be binned. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?