Up-comming web presence

shorty943 · 07-25-2007, 12:13 AM

You saw it first here.

A new web presence in the ".id.au" domain. Not ready yet, give me a couple more weeks to make sense of the legal mumbo stuff. To do with, they want money.
And to make sense of this new Visual Studio stuff, to cobble up a working web site.
Set up the secured server, LAMP probably.

More news to follow as it comes to hand.

Greg · 07-25-2007, 12:30 AM

Neat! I shall stay tuned to this channel.

shorty943 · 07-26-2007, 09:25 AM

So far, so good. Dynamic hosting by my ISP, pointed to my LAMP server, domain registration is less than A$20 per year, good for pensioner.

Have placed a small deposit, on a refurbished 1.8 Ghz P4. Add my RAID set with 4x40Gb disks, and another network card. Install Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP.
Total cost for a small server, less than A$400. Not too bad.

Now the tricky bit. I have already learned to dislike Visual Studio.
It can only play with Microsoft IIS. Bugger. I want Linux security, not Mosquito networking.

If I seem jumbled from time to time. It must be the code. Just has to be a simple WYSIWYG web site builder that doesn't rely on MS.
Coffecup full of java.
I'll get it sorted. Just need the right software hammer.
Time to hit sourceforge again.

Miros1 · 07-26-2007, 11:09 AM

Lemme dig through the software in the attic... I had a really good HTML editor that wasn't too expensive...

Yes, most packages suck. They take every new optional trick and make it manditory, so that when you try to turn them off, they leave pieces of crap in your files. Someone needs to explain the difference between tools and crutches!

shorty943 · 07-26-2007, 11:27 AM

Let's see.

Coffee cup. Um, spilled it.

Nvu. Not Very Useful.

Visual stupid thing. Make shorty want Kill Bill.

My problem is I appear to be code dyslexic. Even the instructions appear to be in some geek code to me, but not old plain English like she used to be spoken.
Oh God. Do I actually have to "cultivate a relationship", with a young entity?
Coerce and pummel a crafted web site from some one? Learn to speak geek?

Shorty sighs, head for the kitchen to refill the coffee cup.
Turn the page, read.

Miros1 · 07-26-2007, 12:43 PM

Shorty, if you're not too attached to the idea of Wysiwyg, check out HTMLGoodies (http://www.htmlgoodies.com). It's easy to read and mentally digest as you go. I do recommend creating an "exercise" for yourself to practice what you've learned.

I learned JavaScript from this site and still refer to it when I need a reference for either JS or HTML.

shorty943 · 07-26-2007, 02:23 PM

Duely bookmarked. Thank you Lady M.

In my net traversal, I came across a free software called Personal Web Kit.
By George, it's working. I read the plain English instructions, edit as explained, and viola, there squats me an edited web page.... Sort of.
It's late o'clock, and I've finished lesson 1. (Yes, alright John Boy, goodnight)

I do tend to go for the deep end.
I haven't even got "Hello World" written in basic yet, but I want dotnet2, dynamic web content, the bells, the whistles and a shooting gallery. Webmin, CMS, I can spell em all.
The readin, an the writin? We're getting there.

mikedelaney16 · 07-26-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shorty943

Set up the secured server, LAMP probably.

Why LAMP?

Quote:

Originally Posted by shorty943

Coffee cup. Um, spilled it.

Nvu. Not Very Useful.

Visual stupid thing. Make shorty want Kill Bill.

Never tried Coffee cup.

Can't stand Nvu, it's worse than "Not Very Useful", it's garbage.

Visual stupid thing, I looked, I failed to comprehend, I ran away screaming.

I do like Dreamweaver, but that's not free and I'm not sure if it's Wine compatible as I've never tried to run it on a Linux box. Earlier versions might be. Unfortunately it's now owned by Adobe so we can expect it to be killed off sometime soon.

MikeD

Greg · 07-26-2007, 07:20 PM

Hmmm... if you have PHP and MySQL, then there are probably lots of really nifty webbish toys out there. My experience with Unix is based on just using it on the server, and having a Windows box as my user interface to it, so I'm not much help in Unix-based authoring applications.

In fact, I have zero experience with any kind of WYSIWYG web authoring app.

mikedelaney16 · 07-26-2007, 07:40 PM

Joomla and Mambo are pretty good, and there are lots of instructions for modifying and creating templates.

You can try out demos of most Content Management packages at OpensourceCMS

In my experience all major Linux distributions come with apache for http and https, PHP, MySQL and PostgreSQL along with ftp and email servers and everything else you would need for a basic website. Webmin (free) is handy for managing it all.

Greg · 07-26-2007, 08:28 PM

I think the big question is: What are you planning to put on your site, Shorty?

Zirconia Wolf · 07-26-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

I think the big question is: What are you planning to put on your site, Shorty?

Details schmetails!!

You gotta have all the bells & whistles firmly in place before you start thinking about that stuff!

(ZW slinks back to her own web-site design studies...)

shorty943 · 07-29-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zirconia Wolf

Details schmetails!!

You gotta have all the bells & whistles firmly in place before you start thinking about that stuff!

(ZW slinks back to her own web-site design studies...)

Yeah, like ZW said. Ya just gotta have bells'n'whistles.

As for why?
Um, to see if I can? A little tech exercise for the old grey matter?
Set up a virtual server, and a bunch of virtual appliances to serve content.
Probably use a Xen virtual environment. Then fool with Django as a development environment. So far, from the massive downloads of documentation on it, it looks to be quite straight forward, for a web design environment. But, there is always VMWare to fall back on.

And what?
Some 40 years of, at times crazy, life, photo's of things people just never see in ordinary life. Stories to tell. Find a way to incorporate a guest book and lounge for chats. Excerpts from the "Green and Gold Cook Book".
Worldly advice to intrepid travellers. Who knows?
Why not? Makes more sense than some dill kid blurting on youtube.

Any way, the machine is still 4 to 6 weeks away yet, so I have plenty of time to worry away at web site design and such. But, in the last day or so it is slowly coming along, with PWK. It is template based, click and fool with things. Not exactly, WYSIWYG, or drag and drop, but it seems to be working for me, and the testing as you go, shows fine in Firefox\Seamonkey\IE.

Had a setback Saturday. Landlord got in about 1 o'clock Friday afternoon. Yelled out "Shorty, come help me drink Bourbon". Not well yesterday.

By the way, here is home for me, thank's Google Earth.

mikedelaney16 · 07-29-2007, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shorty943

But, there is always VMWare to fall back on.

VMWare rocks!

Miros1 · 07-29-2007, 03:58 PM

Lol, you can almost see your orphan calf in that picture. Is that her out under the tree?

Zirconia Wolf · 07-29-2007, 04:19 PM

Semi unrelated, but : hey mikedelaney: what version of Dreamweaver are you using?? (I'm thinking of ditching Front Page....)

mikedelaney16 · 07-29-2007, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zirconia Wolf

Semi unrelated, but : hey mikedelaney: what version of Dreamweaver are you using?? (I'm thinking of ditching Front Page....)

Dreamweaver Ultrdev 4, it's old. But anything beats Front Page.

Zirconia Wolf · 07-29-2007, 04:35 PM

Old is fine by me! I don't use Adobe photo stuff for anything (if I can help it) so I didn't want to drop $400 on a program that sounds designed to pretty much work with Adobe by default...

mikedelaney16 · 07-29-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zirconia Wolf

Old is fine by me! I don't use Adobe photo stuff for anything (if I can help it) so I didn't want to drop $400 on a program that sounds designed to pretty much work with Adobe by default...

Try and get an older pre Adobe version. Macromedia was a much nicer company.

Greg · 07-29-2007, 05:27 PM

Neat picture, Shorty! I've tried looking up my house on Google Earth but it is lost among the trees.

07-25-2007, 12:13 AM	#1
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Up-comming web presence You saw it first here. A new web presence in the ".id.au" domain. Not ready yet, give me a couple more weeks to make sense of the legal mumbo stuff. To do with, they want money. And to make sense of this new Visual Studio stuff, to cobble up a working web site. Set up the secured server, LAMP probably. More news to follow as it comes to hand.

07-25-2007, 12:30 AM	#2
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Neat! I shall stay tuned to this channel. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

07-26-2007, 07:20 PM	#9
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Hmmm... if you have PHP and MySQL, then there are probably lots of really nifty webbish toys out there. My experience with Unix is based on just using it on the server, and having a Windows box as my user interface to it, so I'm not much help in Unix-based authoring applications. In fact, I have zero experience with any kind of WYSIWYG web authoring app. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

07-26-2007, 08:28 PM	#11
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	I think the big question is: What are you planning to put on your site, Shorty? __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

07-29-2007, 04:19 PM	#16
Zirconia Wolf Reticulated MoonBat Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: My trusty computer in Issaquah WA, USA. Posts: 848	Semi unrelated, but : hey mikedelaney: what version of Dreamweaver are you using?? (I'm thinking of ditching Front Page....) __________________ Long Live All Wild Canines! Leader Of The Moon-Bat Revolution!

07-26-2007, 09:25 AM	#3
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	So far, so good. Dynamic hosting by my ISP, pointed to my LAMP server, domain registration is less than A$20 per year, good for pensioner. Have placed a small deposit, on a refurbished 1.8 Ghz P4. Add my RAID set with 4x40Gb disks, and another network card. Install Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP. Total cost for a small server, less than A$400. Not too bad. Now the tricky bit. I have already learned to dislike Visual Studio. It can only play with Microsoft IIS. Bugger. I want Linux security, not Mosquito networking. If I seem jumbled from time to time. It must be the code. Just has to be a simple WYSIWYG web site builder that doesn't rely on MS. Coffecup full of java. I'll get it sorted. Just need the right software hammer. Time to hit sourceforge again.

07-26-2007, 11:09 AM	#4
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	Lemme dig through the software in the attic... I had a really good HTML editor that wasn't too expensive... Yes, most packages suck. They take every new optional trick and make it manditory, so that when you try to turn them off, they leave pieces of crap in your files. Someone needs to explain the difference between tools and crutches!

07-26-2007, 11:27 AM	#5
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Let's see. Coffee cup. Um, spilled it. Nvu. Not Very Useful. Visual stupid thing. Make shorty want Kill Bill. My problem is I appear to be code dyslexic. Even the instructions appear to be in some geek code to me, but not old plain English like she used to be spoken. Oh God. Do I actually have to "cultivate a relationship", with a young entity? Coerce and pummel a crafted web site from some one? Learn to speak geek? Shorty sighs, head for the kitchen to refill the coffee cup. Turn the page, read.

07-26-2007, 12:43 PM	#6
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	Shorty, if you're not too attached to the idea of Wysiwyg, check out HTMLGoodies (http://www.htmlgoodies.com). It's easy to read and mentally digest as you go. I do recommend creating an "exercise" for yourself to practice what you've learned. I learned JavaScript from this site and still refer to it when I need a reference for either JS or HTML.

07-26-2007, 02:23 PM	#7
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Duely bookmarked. Thank you Lady M. In my net traversal, I came across a free software called Personal Web Kit. By George, it's working. I read the plain English instructions, edit as explained, and viola, there squats me an edited web page.... Sort of. It's late o'clock, and I've finished lesson 1. (Yes, alright John Boy, goodnight) I do tend to go for the deep end. I haven't even got "Hello World" written in basic yet, but I want dotnet2, dynamic web content, the bells, the whistles and a shooting gallery. Webmin, CMS, I can spell em all. The readin, an the writin? We're getting there.

07-26-2007, 07:40 PM	#10
mikedelaney16 Solar Max Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 201	Joomla and Mambo are pretty good, and there are lots of instructions for modifying and creating templates. You can try out demos of most Content Management packages at OpensourceCMS In my experience all major Linux distributions come with apache for http and https, PHP, MySQL and PostgreSQL along with ftp and email servers and everything else you would need for a basic website. Webmin (free) is handy for managing it all.

07-29-2007, 03:58 PM	#15
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	Lol, you can almost see your orphan calf in that picture. Is that her out under the tree?

07-29-2007, 04:35 PM	#18
Zirconia Wolf Reticulated MoonBat Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: My trusty computer in Issaquah WA, USA. Posts: 848	Old is fine by me! I don't use Adobe photo stuff for anything (if I can help it) so I didn't want to drop $400 on a program that sounds designed to pretty much work with Adobe by default... __________________ Long Live All Wild Canines! Leader Of The Moon-Bat Revolution!

07-29-2007, 05:27 PM	#20
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Neat picture, Shorty! I've tried looking up my house on Google Earth but it is lost among the trees. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?